In Episode 214 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Scott Gottlieb. Dr. Gottlieb is a physician who served as the head of the FDA from 2017 to 2019. He currently serves on the boards of Pfizer and Illumina and is a regular contributor to CNBC where he has become one of the most recognizable faces in America. His recently published book, “Uncontrolled Spread,” examines how the coronavirus and its variants overwhelmed our national defenses and outlines the steps he thinks we need to take in order to better protect ourselves and our country from the next pandemic.
The first half of Demetri’s conversation with Scott was spent examining the systemic failures that Dr. Gottlieb thinks exacerbated the scope of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the economic costs associated with the various lockdowns and shutdowns that were imposed in the very early days of the outbreak. Gottlieb also goes into detail about the biological mechanics of the virus, how it spreads, and what we’ve learned about best practices for protecting ourselves and those around us. The conversation then shifts to a discussion about the various vaccines, their effectiveness, how they work, as well as the risk of taking them and how to evaluate those risks when making your own decision about whether or not to get vaccinated. Demetri asks Dr. Gottlieb about alternative treatment options like Ivermectin and whether or not he thinks the mainstream media is censoring information about these types of alternative treatments.
This week’s premium content is a forty-minute afterthoughts segment that Demetri recorded right after the end of his conversation with Scott, where he reflects on not only what was discussed during the first hour, but also, many of the things that the two didn’t get to talk about like the lab leak hypothesis, the arguments for and against mandated vaccinations, the future of sequencing and genomic epidemiology, new antiviral drugs, the risk of new BSL-4 Facilities, and so much more.
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Scott Gottlieb is a physician and served as the 23rd Commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Dr. Gottlieb’s work focuses on advancing public health through developing and implementing innovative approaches to improving medical outcomes, reshaping healthcare delivery, and expanding consumer choice and safety. He serves on the boards of Pfizer Inc. and Illumina, Inc., is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a partner at the venture capital firm New Enterprise Associates. Under his leadership, the FDA advanced new frameworks for the modern and safe and effective oversight of gene therapies, cell based regenerative medicines, targeted drugs, and digital health devices. The FDA implemented new reforms to standardize drug reviews and make historic improvements of post market data collection and the use of real-world evidence. Dr. Gottlieb is widely published in leading medical journals and periodicals, including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and The Washington Post. He has held editorial positions on the British Medical Journal and the Journal of the American Medical Association and is a regular contributor to CNBC. Dr. Gottlieb is also the author of “Uncontrolled Spread: Why COVID-19 Crushed Us and How We Can Defeat the Next Pandemic”. Dr. Gottlieb was a practicing hospitalist and he is an elected member of the National Academy of Medicine. He lives in Westport, Connecticut with his wife and three daughters.
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Mihi vero, inquit, placet agi subtilius et, ut ipse dixisti, pressius. Quae quidem sapientes sequuntur duce natura tamquam videntes; Te ipsum, dignissimum maioribus tuis, voluptasne induxit, ut adolescentulus eriperes P. Ut proverbia non nulla veriora sint quam vestra dogmata.
Quae contraria sunt his, malane? Dicet pro me ipsa virtus nec dubitabit isti vestro beato M. Quam ob rem tandem, inquit, non satisfacit? Alia quaedam dicent, credo, magna antiquorum esse peccata, quae ille veri investigandi cupidus nullo modo ferre potuerit.
Quare ad ea primum, si videtur; In his igitur partibus duabus nihil erat, quod Zeno commutare gestiret. Quod idem cum vestri faciant, non satis magnam tribuunt inventoribus gratiam. Cum praesertim illa perdiscere ludus esset. Vos autem cum perspicuis dubia debeatis illustrare, dubiis perspicua conamini tollere. Morbo gravissimo affectus, exul, orbus, egens, torqueatur eculeo: quem hunc appellas, Zeno?
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Uterque enim summo bono fruitur, id est voluptate. At enim hic etiam dolore. Portenta haec esse dicit, neque ea ratione ullo modo posse vivi; Nam si quae sunt aliae, falsum est omnis animi voluptates esse e corporis societate. Nunc reliqua videamus, nisi aut ad haec, Cato, dicere aliquid vis aut nos iam longiores sumus. Ampulla enim sit necne sit, quis non iure optimo irrideatur, si laboret? At tu eadem ista dic in iudicio aut, si coronam times, dic in senatu. Ut placet, inquit, etsi enim illud erat aptius, aequum cuique concedere. Ex eorum enim scriptis et institutis cum omnis doctrina liberalis, omnis historia.
Animi enim quoque dolores percipiet omnibus partibus maiores quam corporis. Quod quidem iam fit etiam in Academia. Nos commodius agimus. Satisne ergo pudori consulat, si quis sine teste libidini pareat? Audax negotium, dicerem impudens, nisi hoc institutum postea translatum ad philosophos nostros esset. Sed ne, dum huic obsequor, vobis molestus sim.
Satisne ergo pudori consulat, si quis sine teste libidini pareat? Videmusne ut pueri ne verberibus quidem a contemplandis rebus perquirendisque deterreantur? Nam ista vestra: Si gravis, brevis; Quoniam, si dis placet, ab Epicuro loqui discimus. Qua ex cognitione facilior facta est investigatio rerum occultissimarum. Sed ne, dum huic obsequor, vobis molestus sim. Que Manilium, ab iisque M.
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Sed haec quidem liberius ab eo dicuntur et saepius. Ergo adhuc, quantum equidem intellego, causa non videtur fuisse mutandi nominis. Duo Reges: constructio interrete. Atque hoc loco similitudines eas, quibus illi uti solent, dissimillimas proferebas. Nec tamen ullo modo summum pecudis bonum et hominis idem mihi videri potest. Simul atque natum animal est, gaudet voluptate et eam appetit ut bonum, aspernatur dolorem ut malum.
An, partus ancillae sitne in fructu habendus, disseretur inter principes civitatis, P. Quid ei reliquisti, nisi te, quoquo modo loqueretur, intellegere, quid diceret? Nam adhuc, meo fortasse vitio, quid ego quaeram non perspicis. Ait enim se, si uratur, Quam hoc suave! dicturum. Honesta oratio, Socratica, Platonis etiam. An hoc usque quaque, aliter in vita? Quo studio Aristophanem putamus aetatem in litteris duxisse?
Illud quaero, quid ei, qui in voluptate summum bonum ponat, consentaneum sit dicere. Nullum inveniri verbum potest quod magis idem declaret Latine, quod Graece, quam declarat voluptas. Illum mallem levares, quo optimum atque humanissimum virum, Cn. Si quicquam extra virtutem habeatur in bonis. Atque his de rebus et splendida est eorum et illustris oratio. Ex ea difficultate illae fallaciloquae, ut ait Accius, malitiae natae sunt.
Sed quanta sit alias, nunc tantum possitne esse tanta. Ille vero, si insipiens-quo certe, quoniam tyrannus -, numquam beatus; Aeque enim contingit omnibus fidibus, ut incontentae sint. Sed haec quidem liberius ab eo dicuntur et saepius. Istam voluptatem, inquit, Epicurus ignorat? Piso, familiaris noster, et alia multa et hoc loco Stoicos irridebat: Quid enim? Tanta vis admonitionis inest in locis; Nunc omni virtuti vitium contrario nomine opponitur. Illa argumenta propria videamus, cur omnia sint paria peccata. Quod cum accidisset ut alter alterum necopinato videremus, surrexit statim.
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. In parvis enim saepe, qui nihil eorum cogitant, si quando iis ludentes minamur praecipitaturos alicunde, extimescunt. Esse enim quam vellet iniquus iustus poterat inpune. Quonam modo? Quicquid porro animo cernimus, id omne oritur a sensibus; Duo Reges: constructio interrete.
Omnes enim iucundum motum, quo sensus hilaretur. Quae enim adhuc protulisti, popularia sunt, ego autem a te elegantiora desidero. Ita relinquet duas, de quibus etiam atque etiam consideret. At cum de plurimis eadem dicit, tum certe de maximis. Non quam nostram quidem, inquit Pomponius iocans; Re mihi non aeque satisfacit, et quidem locis pluribus. Omnes enim iucundum motum, quo sensus hilaretur. Sed quid sentiat, non videtis.
Sed nonne merninisti licere mihi ista probare, quae sunt a te dicta? Nescio quo modo praetervolavit oratio. Utilitatis causa amicitia est quaesita. Quae diligentissime contra Aristonem dicuntur a Chryippo. In his igitur partibus duabus nihil erat, quod Zeno commutare gestiret. Sed plane dicit quod intellegit. Graccho, eius fere, aequalí?
Illa videamus, quae a te de amicitia dicta sunt. Easdemne res? Hic ambiguo ludimur. Deque his rebus satis multa in nostris de re publica libris sunt dicta a Laelio. Ita similis erit ei finis boni, atque antea fuerat, neque idem tamen; Tum Quintus: Est plane, Piso, ut dicis, inquit. Quis hoc dicit? Atqui perspicuum est hominem e corpore animoque constare, cum primae sint animi partes, secundae corporis. Nam bonum ex quo appellatum sit, nescio, praepositum ex eo credo, quod praeponatur aliis. Sed tamen est aliquid, quod nobis non liceat, liceat illis.
