In Episode 241 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Chris Painter, a globally recognized leader and expert on cyber security who has been at the vanguard of U.S. and international cyber issues for over thirty years—first as a prosecutor of some of the most high-profile cybercrime cases in the country and then as a senior official at the Department of Justice, FBI, the National Security Council, and the State Department. He’s responsible for having established the Office of the Coordinator for Cyber Issues and served as Senior Director for Cyber Policy in the National Security Council.
With the Biden administration reiterating prior warnings that the Russian Government is exploring options for conducting cyber attacks against the United States in response to sanctions levied against the Russian economy, we wanted to help bring all of you up to speed on exactly what those warnings are, what steps are being taken to minimize the damage they may cause, and what the range of possible responses by the U.S. government will be depending on the nature and targets of those attacks.
This conversation is meant to give you the information that you need in order to best prepare yourselves and your businesses for what might be coming next, so that you remain ahead of the curve as events evolve and as the collateral damage of the war in Ukraine potentially widens.
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Chris Painter is a globally recognized leader and expert on cybersecurity and cyber policy, Cyber Diplomacy and combatting cybercrime. He has been on the vanguard of U.S. and international cyber issues for over thirty years—first as a prosecutor of some of the most high-profile cybercrime cases in the country and then as a senior official at the Department of Justice, FBI, the National Security Council and finally the State Department.
In his most recent government role as the nation’s top cyber diplomat, Mr. Painter coordinated and led the United States’ diplomatic efforts to advance an open, interoperable, secure and reliable Internet and information infrastructure. The pioneering office that Mr. Painter established — the Office of the Coordinator for Cyber Issues — was the first high-level position and office dedicated to advancing the diplomatic aspects of cyber issues ranging from national security to human rights matters.
Prior to joining the State Department, Mr. Painter served in the White House as Senior Director for Cyber Policy in the National Security Council. He was a senior member of the team that conducted the President’s Cyberspace Policy Review in 2009 and subsequently helped create and then structure a new directorate in the National Security Council devoted to these issues. As a federal prosecutor, Mr. Painter prosecuted, among others, notorious hacker Kevin Mitnick, one of the first wide-spread distributed denial of service attacks and the first Internet stock manipulation cases. He also chaired the G8 (and then G7) High-Tech Crime Group for over ten years.
Among other things, Mr. Painter is currently the President of the Global Forum on Cyber Expertise Foundation, serves on the Board of the Center for Internet Security, is a non-resident Senior Advisor at the CSIS, an Associate Fellow at Chatham House, and is a member of the Public Sector Advisory Board for Palo Alto Networks. He was also a co-chair of the Ransomware Task Force and a Commissioner on the Global Commission on the Stability of Cyberspace.
Mr. Painter was named the Bartels World Affairs Fellow by Cornell University for 2017-2018, received The Order of the Rising Sun from the Government of Japan for promoting U.S-Japan cyber cooperation in 2018 and received the Order of Terra Mariana from the President of Estonia in 2020 for promoting cyber cooperation. He is also the recipient of the RSA Award for Excellence in the Field of Public Policy (2016), the Attorney General’s Award for Exceptional Service, and the Intelligence Community Legal Award (2008). He is a graduate of Stanford Law School and Cornell University and clerked for US Circuit Judge Betty Fletcher.
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Claudii libidini, qui tum erat summo ne imperio, dederetur. Sed quanta sit alias, nunc tantum possitne esse tanta. Tecum optime, deinde etiam cum mediocri amico. Verba tu fingas et ea dicas, quae non sentias? Rationis enim perfectio est virtus; Nam ista vestra: Si gravis, brevis; Sed in rebus apertissimis nimium longi sumus. Non est ista, inquam, Piso, magna dissensio.
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Sin tantum modo ad indicia veteris memoriae cognoscenda, curiosorum. Quicquid porro animo cernimus, id omne oritur a sensibus; Ut optime, secundum naturam affectum esse possit. His similes sunt omnes, qui virtuti student levantur vitiis, levantur erroribus, nisi forte censes Ti. Quod autem ratione actum est, id officium appellamus. Piso, familiaris noster, et alia multa et hoc loco Stoicos irridebat: Quid enim? Id mihi magnum videtur.
An ea, quae per vinitorem antea consequebatur, per se ipsa curabit? Cur deinde Metrodori liberos commendas? An vero, inquit, quisquam potest probare, quod perceptfum, quod. Proclivi currit oratio. Sit enim idem caecus, debilis. Si enim, ut mihi quidem videtur, non explet bona naturae voluptas, iure praetermissa est; Qua ex cognitione facilior facta est investigatio rerum occultissimarum. Itaque his sapiens semper vacabit.
His similes sunt omnes, qui virtuti student levantur vitiis, levantur erroribus, nisi forte censes Ti. Sed ut iis bonis erigimur, quae expectamus, sic laetamur iis, quae recordamur. Quis animo aequo videt eum, quem inpure ac flagitiose putet vivere? Dic in quovis conventu te omnia facere, ne doleas. Homines optimi non intellegunt totam rationem everti, si ita res se habeat. Pisone in eo gymnasio, quod Ptolomaeum vocatur, unaque nobiscum Q. Aperiendum est igitur, quid sit voluptas; Ab his oratores, ab his imperatores ac rerum publicarum principes extiterunt. Eiuro, inquit adridens, iniquum, hac quidem de re; Videamus igitur sententias eorum, tum ad verba redeamus. Optime, inquam. Nam memini etiam quae nolo, oblivisci non possum quae volo.
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Sed residamus, inquit, si placet. Scientiam pollicentur, quam non erat mirum sapientiae cupido patria esse cariorem. Tecum optime, deinde etiam cum mediocri amico. Ut enim consuetudo loquitur, id solum dicitur honestum, quod est populari fama gloriosum. Post enim Chrysippum eum non sane est disputatum. Certe, nisi voluptatem tanti aestimaretis.
Quod maxime efficit Theophrasti de beata vita liber, in quo multum admodum fortunae datur. Aliter homines, aliter philosophos loqui putas oportere? Si longus, levis; Et harum quidem rerum facilis est et expedita distinctio. Ergo ita: non posse honeste vivi, nisi honeste vivatur?
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Suam denique cuique naturam esse ad vivendum ducem. Immo videri fortasse. Quorum altera prosunt, nocent altera. Nos quidem Virtutes sic natae sumus, ut tibi serviremus, aliud negotii nihil habemus.
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